Building Tomorrow, Ep. 21: We Got Your Black Friday Shopping List


welcome back the building tomorrow I’m
here with the entire regular crew this time Matthew will and Aaron and if
you’re like us you’re probably just kicking back from a veritable
Thanksgiving feast you’ve stuffed your face with all the well stuffing and
turducken and tofurkey and sweet potato casserole your gluttonous little
stomaching desire and after a goodly snooze or food coma we’re going to have
to think about the choices you’re going to make on the morrow for it is Black
Friday the busiest shopping day of the year or perhaps you’re waiting for Cyber
Monday so as to avoid being sampled stapled
stomp stomp trampled by just keep going hoards of shoppers either way you need
to buy something for these special people in your life as well as your
cousin Todd who is the worst but you’ll feel bad if he gets you a present again
this year and you got him nothing like last year when he well wherever I was
yes we’re finding gifts it is a staple of the tech media at this time of year
to put out a hot tech gadgets for the nerds in your life list it’s fun
copy lots of clicks light reading we’re gonna do something slightly different
here I’m building tomorrow rather than giving you a literal list of gadgets
we’re going to proffer our suggestions of the top technologies and innovations
that if they become the hot new tech toy of the season and were adopted on mass
like you know a Tickle Me Elmo but for protect oiz that would do the most to
transform our lives for the better we’re gonna stick to North American tech and
innovation because if we didn’t well as Erin pointed out we’d be air dropping
smartphones smartphones over the developing world they would just win
handily like no competition smart phones for everyone that’s not very interesting
for a competition so and we’re also not going to do an exact gadget or company
necessarily we’re thinking about the underlying tech and we’re gonna vote for
the winners guys you can’t vote for your own vote for someone else’s we can even
if we want to be real fancy we can go like Maine and do ranked choice voting
in the spirit of last month so let’s kick things off with will what is your
hot tech gadget so I’m gonna go with the Fitbit and now a lot of you think of
that as something you wear when you gonna run to track how far you’ve run or
how high your heart rate went while you were doing it but it has a much more
universal really health centric potential applications so you wear a
device that tracks your heart rate as well as other biosigns over time and it
allows you to create a fairly comprehensive picture of how your body
is behaving throughout the day day in and day out and this can allow either
you or your doctor perhaps to begin to identify certain patterns that could
then also potentially be aggregated with other people’s Fitbit data to see larger
societal health patterns where are people sleeping well what do people do
before they sleep well versus when they don’t have a good night’s sleep and you
can provide for the fairly cheap collection of very interesting health
data through you know what is now kind of got a boost the other year as a
running killer app now they’ve been trying to move into the SmartWatch and
mobile payments market but long term you know Fitbit itself as a goal sees the
idea of building a service business related to digital health as kind of the
long term quest for the product as our others in that space and firms more on
the health side interested in making use of this data are you worried about the
privacy implications of this though that this is I mean it is like dementia this
is very personal day yes I am kind of
ignoring that ghosting over it for now obviously another sort of running app
that allowed people to compare their runs called Strava earlier this year
became a little bit notorious for effectively outlining the perimeters of
military bases around the world because as soldiers would jog the fence in the
morning they’d be comparing themselves to others who might have been posted
there in the past and all of this was being posted on the global Strava runs
map so you could see these little glowing lines around facilities say in
Syria that officially didn’t exist now yes there is obviously if you were to
lose access or control over your individualized that is non anonymized
Fitbit data someone could know how you’re sleeping when you’re active if
you had sex that night just by looking at your heart rate and other bio signs
over time so there there is some concern there but I think overall the benefits
of being able to learn that about yourself which is difficult otherwise
and also very expensive people are sent in for sleep studies or to go and wear a
heart monitor over lunch for for a week and these not only take folks out of the
rest of their lives a lot of people don’t want to do that take the time to
do that so they just don’t get the treatment they perhaps would otherwise
and it simplifies all of this collection I would think in theory can aggregate
this right so you can strip out identifying personal information and
being like you’re then being compared against a faceless mass of data okay
like you do with 23andme like yes in theory of 23andme there’s a there’s a
risk of privacy breach if that information gets leaked about your
genetic makeup but they strip out your personal identifying information so that
other people can be compared not against you as an individual but against the
aggregated profile and so I imagine the same I need you can identify local
trends that way as well how much worse are
people sleeping thanks to the new highway bill next to their their
development and you aren’t then dealing just with individual anecdotes
from people in that community but you can really look at how long they were
sleeping for how long they were in REM cycles across numerous individuals so in
that space this is kind of natural control groups as well yeah well so this
is like a case of something that’s underutilized right now or in like lots
of people have fitbit’s but there it’s kind of like their glorified step
counters yes the the infrastructure that you would need for these sort of health
facing or health centric applications isn’t there yet it’s coming
but obviously the wider Fitbit and similar devices are adopted now the more
market there will be for those sorts of uses of that data down the road and if
you buy all of your relatives a Fitbit for Christmas then we can move
incrementally towards that healthier world nice all right I like it so our
first entry here is the Fitbit maybe not specifically but a Fitbit like device a
health tracker for improving consumer health our next entry is a little bit
different so it’s not a literal device it’s software rather than a device
innovation it’s end-to-end encryption I have that
right Feeny no one wants to get software for Christmas no one wants to be told
that they’re overweight and slow for Christmas
so and unlike the previous nomination this one actually takes privacy into
account so if I could airdrop devices or software to families in America it would
be services that allow for people to engage in end-to-end encrypted
communication there are services out there such as protonmail and Tudor Notah
which are email services that allow people to end-to-end encrypted their
emails there are messaging services like signal and wicker wire that I know all
four of us use here at Cato and the great thing about this is easy
to use low-cost but with very with very high benefits a lot of great benefits
namely protection against surveillance the the the sad state of affairs is that
emails don’t enjoy as much protection as we would like
thanks to legislation and Supreme Court precedent so in the name of privacy and
increased security and I would wish that everyone around Thanksgiving tables and
Christmas gatherings and everything in between
sign up for a low cost or even free and to end encrypted service that’s my
nomination so you go into your you know Graham grandma’s email account set her
up with uh with a VPN client or a tour or something and here you go grandma
here’s your yeah it depends how much you want to get into the weeds you know yeah
do a whole lot of you could really go a little crazy with services like this but
in fact many listeners probably already use this technology and don’t know it if
they use whatsapp Facebook Messenger iMessage right but I think it’s worth
people you know getting out there to see the other cool services that are out
there so that would be my my holiday wish that’s pretty good
any anyone care to piggyback on back on top of that I mean it’s it wills so
wills has the the effects there’s all these health effects that in the
aggregate and if everyone’s using this stuff but for the the consumer for the
person who gets the Fitbit aside from if it tells them that they’re wildly out of
shape and just makes them depressed but that you get that it’s kind of it’s a
it’s a neat little thing for the person to have is that the case with the and
and encrypted like so are you basically saying grandma I’m gonna switch you from
Gmail to protonmail and the there’s no real benefit to you in terms of like the
day-to-day use like but but it means that you’re more secure does this make
sense that you’d like what the kind of consumer hook that makes the
consumer want to use this stuff outside of we in this room are all paranoid
libertarians I don’t want the government snooping no well I don’t think that
privacy and security is something that only paranoid libertarians need or
desire and it’s true that it’s not as easy to to show off in a coffee shop
that you have you have to probably open up your your smartphone and show the the
the app and some people might think isn’t that just you know that not that
much different from Gmail right also signal with stickers like you have all
over the back of your laptop yeah I like I like stickers on my laptop uh well
then they make sure to really work you over at security right I don’t know I’ve
been rather happy with how I’ve been treated by the federal government’s
Airport security personnel makes you come off as trustworthy I don’t usually
talk during lists but yes I I get what you’re saying it’s not a new product in
the way that a Fitbit is you can’t hold it in your hand an orb of encryption
right you can’t do that but I think this having point is enough to get people
interested of course if you go to Grandma and say hey here’s a free two –
no – or protonmail account and they say oh why do I need that I guess it’s a
good excuse to talk about the sad state of affairs when it comes to the privacy
in the United States but yeah it’s not something you can flash around that’s
for sure do you see any physical products
designed to offer those sorts of services like either a router you can
buy that attempts to encrypt everything that runs through it or even I don’t
know I’m imagining some kind of 5g hotspot you can wear as a necklace that
you know then your phone connects to that and yeah that’s a good question I
mean make it sexier in a way I could have an orb of encryption maybe it would
also put you on a few more radars I suppose if there was you know no one can
look at my iPhone and see that I have certain apps or services right and I’m
pretty happy with that state of affairs I have to say I mean to some extent
though they mentioned the iPhone that that is exactly what you’re
I mean this is a device and this is this is the case for other amazing Android
phones do this now to that the whole device itself everything on it is
encrypted and doesn’t decrypt until you enter in your passcode and and the
default messaging service that it comes with iMessage which i think is one of if
you consider messaging services like as social networks it’s one of the largest
social networks in terms of like daily traffic in the u.s. well I think an
added benefit to at least my my present proposal is that it prompts excuses for
interesting conversations then I don’t want to you know that ash Google
necessarily right now so Google produces products that a lot of people like and
are really good and easy to use but I think if you actually introduced every
adult in America to the kind of interesting companies and services that
are out there we would just live in a more interesting world with people
actually having more urgent conversations about security and privacy
here’s maybe a selling point to get the you know the security skeptical the
folks weren’t paranoid enough like good rational folks like us you can hook them
on the idea of ISP switching right so you can say hey look
do you like the shows that you see on Netflix or on Amazon Prime or on any of
these other services well did you know that if you just use a VPN client or an
ISP switchin client you can access a whole new world of content on other
national Netflix’s other shows you can watch football games for free you can
watch right so all of which is is legal it’s not illegal to mask your ISP
basically what your computer identifies itself as so not only are you giving
them security they’re using a client that obscures who they are and what
they’re doing on the Internet you’re also giving them access to do stuff
stuff that ordinary consumers like and loot something I will add not that I
think I need to because I think I’m probably getting more votes in Fitbit at
this point but well we’ll see we’ll see I find and this is totally anecdotal
that there’s this frustrating degree of reluctance to do anything about the
state of surveillance you know the the Snowden revelations come out and
everyone sort of rolls their eyes and I think well what am I supposed to do
about that you know if the I can’t give up email and I’m not gonna stop using
the internet on my phone and I’m not going to stop going outside so what
should I do about this and actually I think not enough people know that there
are really cheap low cost low barrier to entry ways of protecting themselves but
very few comparatively few people do it and I think that’s a shame decoder ring
cost about three dollars and you can get pigeons for free anywhere right well you
were only allowed to have one nomination well and rings and pigeons as well well
into your point I mean it’s actually gone pretty mainstream the idea that you
shouldn’t just leave your laptop camera oh yeah unexposed I mean it’s now become
ordinary for folks to tape over it now manufacturers are building in a little
slot like yeah physical manual slides so something that five years ago people
people did respond to with like what’s wrong with you paranoid paranoid ex like
yeah you’re worried about that it’s that stuff can become accepted and even
expected and you know and encryption is one of those things that you can see
it’s in the near future people are just gonna demand it as a matter of course
hope so yeah well there’s a natural segue I think here between what Matthews
proposing with end-to-end encryption and Aaron your idea so pitch us your gift of
the season sure so this does pick up kind of with the end an encryption and
expands upon it a fair amount which is the decentralized web and so my if the
products that I pick is decentralized web browsers slash clients so there’s
there’s a number of them out there there’s the status dot I am is one I
think coinbase has coinbase wallet I believe it’s called that is another that
used to be called tashi was the the product that I think they bought but
there’s there’s a handful of these things and basically what they are is a
crypto wallet usually an aetherium wallet they can hold aetherium tokens of
various a-and and encrypted messaging platform
that’s sometimes built on their open protocols that are kind of part of the
associated with theory I’m that it gets built on and then the ability to connect
to where called decentralized Web Apps which are basically like regular web
pages but the the data your data as you’re browsing them as you’re using
them as you log into them is controlled by you so you’re not really that they’re
kind of spread out more than and and they’re the way that they’re run is
different so that they’re harder to shut down there isn’t you know a centralized
server that someone could go and like turn off all of Facebook because it’s
it’s living across different things so you get you get the effects that Matthew
is talking about I mean you could not it’s not email it’s it’s instant
messaging but you could certainly you could build a decentralized email
platform of a sword into this thing and have access to it and these are usually
mobile apps but there’s desktop versions as well but you also are getting the the
the crypto thing so you can do things like you know basically the status has
what amounts to venmo like a venmo client but you’re sending each other a
theorem tokens or other kinds of tokens instead and you can be browsing what
looks like you know the regular web but is in this kind of decentralized more
private more robust set up that you know is is less accessible to like government
snooping government shutting down and so on will roll his eyes when I when I
mentioned this I was just gonna ask whether Mastodon would it just does that
meet your high bar for what specialized services it’s an attempt to decentralize
Twitter so anyone can create their own Mastodon server and Ronna Mastodon
instance which is like it’s basically it’s basically kind of email reskin to
be Twitter so your servers would be like having an email server but then they can
the servers can talk to each other so you can you know your your tweets on
get sent out to the other people who are following you and so you can switch
servers and different servers can have different rules about you know this is
the kind of content Ram moderator will allow or you know this is the advertiser
we’re gonna show or not yeah I mean the the difference with these these d apps
is that they have they have the the wallet address is part of it that you
have you kind of have an identity that you can carry between them that’s based
on your the keys in your wallet and tied to payments um it can be tied to
payments um because it’s the same wallet address that is the wallet address for
payments but so there’s they’re slightly technical there’s technical differences
on the backend but if from the consumer standpoint these are similar sorts of
things and I picked this one so in part because the the conceit of this episode
was if if this was what was given to everyone what would you you know like so
I think you kind of are waving your magic wand and suddenly everyone in the
u.s. is using this thing and right now these products I fully confess kind of
suck like there’s you know the as as instant messengers they’re a little bit
slow compared to other – you know facebook Messenger whatever they don’t
have as many features the apps are a little bit feel more in development a
lot of them are still in beta status no one else is on them it’s hard to tell
now your friends on these things when they’re all still on Facebook sure so so
but all of those are issues that get overcome by C by the conceit which is if
everyone’s using it then all of your friends are on it and just like with the
web the the really original web you know once lots and lots of people started
using it we started seeing really rapid development in the space and so this is
so if I can make everyone in the u.s. kind of start using this thing it
kick-starts that development but I think as far as the benefits of this again
kind of picking up from Matthews is this allows us if we did this then kind of by
default all or most of us would be having the majority of our digital
communications in an encrypted space we would be doing it in a way we
interacting with the web in a way that where we own our data have control over
our data and it’s again less accessible to surveillance and all of this would be
plugged into an economic system that would allow us to have economic
relationships with each other whether that’s paying your part of rent or you
know paying at the restaurant or sending reimbursing your friend for something or
buying products online that’s happening in this privacy respecting decentralized
fashion that’s outside of the reach of governments and so in in kind of one
little app it allows us to take an extraordinary portion of our digitally
mediated lives and just move it out of the political sphere move it out of the
State sphere and move it into a place that I think is much more Liberty
respecting I wonder if the participation in all of this is a selling point so I
guess the conceit of the episode is we just assume everyone grabs it but it
reminds me a little bit of the the Tor network that the more people that
participate in this the better it becomes and you don’t have to be a
computer scientist to contribute to these interesting systems necessarily
you can just be be a part of it and know that you’re contributing and some of the
more exciting applications of the stuff I think Aaron is talking about are anti
censorship applications which would be pretty cool especially when you consider
governments like the Chinese and I are pretty keen on censorship so this sort
of decentralized nature of it I think is a big selling point you can tell people
that they actually taking part in a really integrate social good without
having to you know have to quit that job or to donate a huge amount of money they
can in virtue of being just part of the network that could be a contributor I
mean it’s not an unalloyed good I guess given what we expect to go on what
happens in the I don’t know that the tour comment you know there you can use
tour and then you can help to cover for government spies and if you’re a good
patriotic person maybe you really enjoy that but if
you’re skeptical as to how the u.s. behaves around the world well look
angels and demons are going to use every new piece of technology and there are
there a cost to our privacy and our security with all different kinds of
technology I’m certainly willing to put that in the cost column but we shouldn’t
forget the the huge number of benefits – I would also say that I mean with the
exception of Fitbit the these are tech that the demons are already using like
so we’re not you know this isn’t tech that we’ve kind of made up out of whole
cloth it’s already out there you can you can download you can use tor right now
if you want to you can run protonmail if you want to you can download the status
client and run it on your phone right now if you want to
and so people people who have a strong incentive to be using this stuff because
they’re up to no good are already using it so simply asking lots and lots of
more people to use it means that you’re just you’re likely to be bringing in a
whole bunch of people who aren’t going to be using it for no good yeah that’s a
good point well this also reminds me of something
else I think we have the difference here between the concrete and the my own
example will be concrete as well the Fitbit or the smart diapers I’ll be
talking about or and then encryption and decentralized internet that which is
more abstract I mean it’s it’s and also it only works because of our conceit
because if it comes to small scale innovation you need to give consumers a
reason to buy I mean they’re more likely to say I want to buy this thing because
in isolation if I have it my life is better versus I’m gonna buy this hoping
a million other people buy it and then we’ll all benefit with scale right so
the conceit of the episode is necessary for this to happen but it makes you
wonder with the original internet right so how do you go from only essentially
government and researchers you know academic researchers and the government
using the early stages of the Internet to mass adoption I mean cuz we had the
goat we had the bridge that abstract divide at one point 20 30 years ago
right and but then again there was kind of a killer app in the sense of but
remember what you circulated if you wanted to get
your gramma surfing online what did you that AOL disk yes exactly
you deluge them with like free internet time the little disks AOL online I think
that’s the first time I’ve heard anyone say anything good about that decade yes
it’s all gonna be counterintuitive here but there was something good about which
was that it was an entry point for folks who weren’t they weren’t they were not
they’re not thinking about can I build this thing called the web 1.0 that will
benefit all of society through rapid innovation and joining us together know
they’re thinking oh if I get this physical CD in low that my computer and
click on this stuff I can like chat with me they advertise to that I mean looking
at early internet advertising can be fascinating because they really are
selling not just their service but the idea of the Internet as a product the
old what was it etrade or there’s a video of Bill Clinton when he’s in it
it’s right at the end of his second term lame duck and Hillary leaves him to go
campaign and he’s bombing around the White House and he has an intern
teaching him how to use the Internet and they’re mimicking a popular internet
commercial of the time we can put that up in there yeah Sean asked it’s a fun
one looking how this thing was sold as long as the intern wasn’t Monica
Lewinsky no I was a dude it was all fine but I mean again there you have the
illustration right like there has to be a entry point into this abstract thing
and so but what some of the things you’re mentioning Aaron like the ability
to have a crypto wallet that is easy to use easy to exchange in the way that
can’t be tracked by whoever by you know ad companies by corporations by the
government what you’re spending money on online that’s an entry by people get why
that might that could have value so I think that’s a that’s a key way of
thinking about that well won’t we return to something a bit more grounded it my
my killer product for this holiday season is something that I think all
parents will appreciate or people have had kids in the past you know most kids
that you know you don’t lump of coal in your stocking and
Christmas but all I want for Christmas is to avoid a lump of something else in
my kids diapers how long did he spend writing that it was that important to me
they get that out okay so Aaron will get this as some of the
most kids I get this someone as a kid being a parent is both incredibly
amazing and the worst at the same time and the worst part about being a parent
at least for the first couple of years is changing diapers right like that’s it
I thought it was the sleep deprivation all right well there it’s like maybe a
clothes changing diapers while sleep-deprived is certainly that’s poor
combination yeah that’s not great combination either when you like your
soda sleep-deprived you drop the diaper that you just changed and yeah kids
produce an astonished astonishingly amount of incredibly disgusting
substances and that’s like you that’s what you’re dealing with me change
diapers and you know when you change them anyone who’s changed diaper knows
here’s the process for for you guys who don’t have kids
it’s you’ve been an hour – since the last diaper change
you start getting suspicious it’s time for another you know you yet you think
you see an abnormal bulge in the in the in the pants of your kid is it though
just a little urine that can be ignored safely for an hour or two or is it you
know did they drop some poo and you have to change it or else it’s gonna just
create a massive mess you have to check so you start with the sniff test you
just stick your nose there and take a good old whiff and that’s the first
diagnosis test and if that fails you have to you you go spelunking you try to
check in the back of the diaper to see if you see something right like it is
unpleasant this is a deeply unpleasant thing but you have to do it or else your
kid will get rashes your kid will create messes it’s just part of parenting so my
killer innovation for this holiday season it’s actually from a new outfit
called ‘verily which is actually under the Google alphabet umbrella company
it’s their life sciences division they patented a smart diaper that will be
able to distinguish between urine and poop it’ll measure conductivity
impedance temperature in the fibers of the diaper itself to detect the presence
of liquids and solids so all the diapers would come with that sensing fiber
built-in and then you’d have like a detachable relay that would send the
information to an app on your smartphone so you change kids diaper you pop the
little relay on and you will know like real-time live updates has your kid gone
what have they done do I need to change them now and like the amount of mass and
frustration unpleasant sniffing that you have to do as a parent would go down
dramatically if you just knew that information like it sounds like a small
thing compared to a new web or like better health outcomes for you with your
with your Fitbit or avoiding government surveillance
but when it comes to like the lived experience of millions of parents in
this country having that kind of information makes your life quantifiably
better on a day to day basis I think you’ve given a great pitch but at this
point only five people are still listening anytime you can be protec and
pronatal ism that that seems good to me now how does this I hear Google involved
in this what what kind of data do they get from this is is there enough to
change intersection yeah but I mean are we getting like literally cradle to
grave data collection now or they use that to predict future behaviors about
you you know how long did it take for you to become potty-trained etc what
does that say about impulse control and on well I mean the less dystopian vision
of that would be like hey we know how many diapers you’ve changed so we know
you’re running out diapers it’s time for your automatic subscription to diapers
on the Amazon to ship you a package you could also imagine a use case where you
say like as that Tech gets more advanced it’s not just
detecting what did they do it’s detecting like information about well
does your kid have stool samples right yeah it’s essentially doing stool
sampling giving information that goes to their doctor to your pediatrician who
can monitor and like oh no they’ve had you know they might have diarrhea and
it’s time for you to bring them in for dehydration to check like this could
actually improve health outcomes for kids as well it’s not just kids I was
thinking too you know who else wears lots of diapers it’s the elderly folks
in nursing homes and hospices who especially if they’re senile can’t do
this for themselves and there’s a real dignitary benefit I think as well to
this knowledge being provided by the diaper rather than an elder care
provider having to look down the back of a 75 year old man’s drawers like that
there’s a dignitary harm in that no one’s really comfortable with it and
it’s unpleasant and and to receive it in the form of more sanitized data I think
could make the experience more pleasant well and to there in that use case
there’s a sense that so so one of the big there’s lots of really bad health
outcomes that apply to the elderly so like well it’s a baby if you don’t
change their diaper soon enough they get a diaper rash which is unpleasant
they’re uncomfortable they scream and holler and that makes your life
miserable and so it’s good if you can mitigate that but with the elderly if
you don’t change them often enough they get bed sores they like urinary tract
infections it kills them I mean oftentimes those are shocks the system
that killed the other like the number of times the elderly senile elderly folks
in nursing homes died because they just weren’t changed off enough is higher
than you’d think so if this is tech that could save lives
as well and provide better quality of life – so that’s my pitches I guess in
the Fitbit kind of category of a more literal device you’re definitely gonna
win now because everyone doesn’t wanna be anti old people and babies mine is
still the best thing to receive in a box under the tree we have instructions to
download something or diapers it’s the quarter
you can be you can make small fitbit’s for babies so will can get in on that
yeah maybe we just put the Fitbit in the diaper is the relay there you go yeah
I’ll take it alright so off air we have written down
our selections but we’re gonna go around and announce them live so Aaron let’s
start off with you I gotta give my vote seeing as I can’t vote for myself which
mine is obviously the best if any of yours were better than mine that’s what
I’ve chosen as mine but I’m gonna start with Matthew well just because in in the
my you know ranking of values the stick it to the state and in surveillance
software eating everyone else’s Christmas gifts you’re buying a gift
certificate to something so I’m gonna pick my first vote
it goes to Matthews and and encrypted communications my second vote goes to
Paul’s diapers just simply because I went through three children of my own
and this sounds like it would have made things marginally easier is it me now
yes alright because I cannot vote for myself but I also want to stick it to
the state my first vote goes to Aaron’s web 2.0 I’m not a parent but I may be in
the future and in the future I want there to be as little mess as possible
and I also don’t want to come across as anti old people or babies so my second
vote goes to Paul alright Wow first boat vote to Paul with smart
diapers I hate Nate ilysm wins man this election and more generally we found way
of working puppies in there to diapers for public
yeah you know we don’t we just need kids not
people getting dogs as kids and I think secondly I’ll go for errands D apps it
it feels like it kind of includes a lot of Matthew’s proposal as well but it’s
more expansive and yeah okay all right and I have web 2.0 errands for my first
vote and then second for Fitbit five they got I’m on the board
Will’s on the board and I think are big it’s all going to come down the tests I
suspect here so this is our producer test you have heard her voice maybe a
time or two but way in tests give us the all-important fifth vote okay well we’re
tied with web 2.0 and diapers so my first vote is going to go to encryption
thank you and my second vote our tiebreaker though I’m not sure how this
is going to promote the general welfare and building a better future tomorrow
I’m gonna go with diapers all right by a hair I think diapers has it kind of
though diapers only had one first-place vote and three second-place votes and
web 2.0 had two first-place votes in one second so I think that gives it to me
now on great choice it might yeah if you give like two points for every
first coin every first vote and then only one point for a second phone yeah
it does go to Aaron then win five points versus four for diapers this is the kind
of procedure we should have thought through before recording you know what
else we should probably mention in full disclosure because now I’m bitter Aaron
is Tessa’s boss just want to make sure the listeners notice the dirty pool here
was good well thank you all for listening to building tomorrow and now
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going to be any of these any of these things and until next week be well and
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